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Post by sys on May 31, 2020 18:13:45 GMT
I know that DRaogn bAl had its critics but I had no idea that people hated the Cell arc/sagathat much. Can anyone explain to me why the Cell arc is hated? And why some people hate Cell himself?
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Post by buckatbullworth on May 31, 2020 18:16:08 GMT
What? I thought the Buu Saga was the hated one.
I don't know, maybe people hate it because it was a series of plot twists one after the other without proper build up, the whole thing feels contrived. As for why people hate Cell himself, perhaps he just wasn't on par with Frieza or was a step down from him. To be honest, Cell is my fav villain in Z, and most other people, at least the western audience.
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Post by sys on Jun 1, 2020 13:44:54 GMT
I love the Cell saga. It may not be the most funny to read but it surely was the most ambitious.
Toriyama actually tried to desing a complex scenario that rivals the best time-travel stories I've ever read (much more coherent than any terminator film except for the first one, but much, much more complex), excellent new characters like Trunks, and the whole saga was full of plot-twists.
The fights were good, Toriyama tried a new formula (Cell, despite being the big boss of the saga, spends most of it running and hidding from the z-warrios and/or losing to them, reversing what usually happens in a shounen but also wihtout degradating Cell as an enemy and making him a real threat -which is not something easy to do by any means), fan favourite's Future Trunks appeared there and was a blast of a character (deep personality due to having had a traumatised past) and it also introduced Satan in his role of being a comic relieve (and what a hell of a comic relieve, just in the saga that needed it the most because of how serious it's tone was).
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Post by sys on Jun 1, 2020 13:47:42 GMT
What? I thought the Buu Saga was the hated one. I don't know, maybe people hate it because it was a series of plot twists one after the other without proper build up, the whole thing feels contrived. As for why people hate Cell himself, perhaps he just wasn't on par with Frieza or was a step down from him. To be honest, Cell is my fav villain in Z, and most other people, at least the western audience. The Buu is still hated but recently I had head from a very vocal minority that criticze the Cell saga for starting the trneds that we is in the Buu saga. I am not sure about this as I alwaus thought that many love the Cell saga but I wasn't really aware of its flaws until later in life. I still love the Cell saga but I realize that the saga had some flaws especially the ones involving Gohan. I know the same can said of every saga but the Cell (and Buu) saga gets criticzed the most. |
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Post by BloodChuckZ on Jun 1, 2020 13:50:14 GMT
I think part of the reason some people are lukewarm towards the Cell arc is that it's put into motion, and extended, by the characters making really, really careless decisions, making it harder to root for our heroes. Also, I think Cell is a pretty weak villain, and Gohan isn't all that strong either in this arc (he has to be pushed into action by Goku and others)
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Post by JK on Jun 1, 2020 13:51:17 GMT
I like the cell saga. It showed gohan's potential.
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Post by buckatbullworth on Jun 1, 2020 17:12:50 GMT
I think part of the reason some people are lukewarm towards the Cell arc is that it's put into motion, and extended, by the characters making really, really careless decisions, making it harder to root for our heroes. Also, I think Cell is a pretty weak villain, and Gohan isn't all that strong either in this arc (he has to be pushed into action by Goku and others) That seems to be the problem for some although other fans would argue otherwise and that it makes sense. |
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Post by Summoner on Jun 1, 2020 17:13:30 GMT
Maybe spending too much time on the internet is giving you the wrong idea of what people like/dislike. For example, if you just go by how people talk about it on the internet, you'd think DBS was utterly despised but as far as I can ascertain, it was pretty damn popular. I certainly disliked it but that's not reflective of how the 'general public' felt about it.
Same for the Cell arc. Maybe people online give it shit, but the entirety of Dragon Ball is still wildly popular/well-liked. So I wouldn't say people "hate the Cell arc", unless 'people' specifically refers to obsessive fans/haters who still get into heated internet debates about Dragon Ball in 2020. And even amongst that public, you'll find people who like the Cell arc just fine. In no scenario is it widely despised.
Personally, I've reread the entire manga recently and liked pretty much all of it, including the artificial humans/Cell stuff. This time around, I liked it not so much for the "story" but for the 'texture', the feel of spectacle Toriyama's always been good at imbuing in his stuff whether he's writing comedy or action.
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Post by JK on Jun 1, 2020 19:01:00 GMT
I'm pretty sure the Boo arc is the most disliked, but if we were to come up with any reason why the Cell arc is hated I'd probably point to the time travelling aspect of it. It's an incredibly difficult thing to make work perfectly and there certainly are some glaring plotholes that came with the territory. Back to the Future is my favorite movie trilogy but even I admit it has a lot of plotholes as a result of how difficult it is to write around certain situations that arise.
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Post by buckatbullworth on Jun 3, 2020 15:51:18 GMT
There is also the strange "out of character" moments in the Cell saga although it might not be as "out of character" as some believe.
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Post by sys on Jun 3, 2020 15:53:07 GMT
What would the out of character moments be?
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Post by JK on Jun 3, 2020 15:55:01 GMT
What would the out of character moments be? I'm guessing they mean Gohan suddenly forced into being a pacifist. You do have to admit it came out of nowhere |
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